Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

truebluepotterfan - in that case , if she figures the underworld like you do, its very possible they could have a trip down there and get the ones voldemort has killed out. also, harry could see his parents then and learn more abut them.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:25 AM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

TrueBluePotterFan- That could be true.. I don't know much about mythologyu but I definitly intend on reading up on it. I agree that obviously the veil is a divider between the physical and spirtual world if only people who have seen death can hear the voices. I agree with u Truebluepotterfan that we will more than likely being hearing lots more about the D of M

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:30 AM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

what house do people think Fudge was in?
i used to see him as a Ravenclaw but now im not so sure

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 11:58 AM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Dark Forest Explorer - Very nice. I'm sure JKR is aware of the information you found on the veil. I look forward to seeing in the future books. She is soooooo crafty.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:02 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Korasai- would be cool if Ron somehow gained some unknown intelligence from the brain attack.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:04 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

following what dimitck said, maybe the brain knew secrets about prophecies or something like voldemort?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:06 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Wow! Those are really interesting theories.. and they bring up a lot of questions. Halloween.. hmmnn.. i'm almost expecting something to happen with the veil on halloween now. And the whole brain residing in Ron.. thats such a..... crazy predicition, but I think it could have some serious truth to it as well. I mean we know how much of an affect it had on ron at the time, so there very well might be long-term affects

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:12 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

here's something else I've been thinking about. I'm sure its not original but I don't have time to read the other 1000 postings.
I think that Sirius will name Harry as the heir to the Black fortune. 2 questions that come from this:
#1 will Harry inherit Kreacher as well?
#2 does Harry owning the Black house somehow effect the protection he has at the Dusleys, because as a "homeowner" he can no longer "call the Dursleys home" as DD put it?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:44 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

another thought to continue the Ron idea:
What if along with unknown intelligence Ron develops magic abilities from the brain attack?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:46 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

response to HGreenbacker- I've always felt that Snapes torment of Harry is just an act to convince Draco and thus V that he is still a loyal DE.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:55 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

What if the brains in the thing were the four founders brains?(slytherin, gryffindor, ravenclaw and hufflepuff)which ever one came out on ron would really tell him stuff if the things sunk into him.
dimtick-thats a really good point if harry would still be protected by his mothers love. maybe somehow he could sneak petunia in there since he really doesnt need the other two?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 12:57 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

As far as Snape being one of the missing DE's in the circle in GOF, maybe not. Remember that the books state that no one knows all the DE's but Voldemort. He goes around this circle and names all the present ones off. I must assume that there are other DE's that are not present. So this is like the inner circle group. Snape may not be a member of the inner circle.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 1:00 PM EST

Auror

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2374

TrueBluePotterFan says:

Strike that last thought. I just remembered that in GOF, the dark mark on Snapes arm was his call to apperate to Voldemort. So that would make him one of the missing 2.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 1:07 PM EST

George Can'tStandya says:

Flitterbottom - yes, I am crazy about the unity thing, but I do have a method to my madness. Upon rereading the books with that idea in mind, it is amazing how much teh subtext jumps off the page in each and every book. As teh series progresses, the subtext takes on more and more elements of text. I love the micro issues concerning teh individual characters, but a hero's journey also affects society as a whole. Harry's journey will no doubt have an outcome on these issues in his universe. The issue of Grawp is one that ties directly into this...centaurs are not always right either. I belive that Firenze is wrong, and Hagrids acts of love are indeed working, and Giants will have to be accepted as well. On all sides fear or hatred or disregard of what is different is shown to be evil or harmful to the person harboring these emotions. Hiding the differnces is shown to be a self limiting and foolish act. Witness Hagrid and Maxine in GOF. The same holds true to the Wizards and their secrecy with the Muggles. SPEW will become very important, as well Arthur's admiration (different from knowledge) of Muggles.

The brain question is going to cause me some sleepless nights. I had not stopped to think much about it, but it seems almost certain that the effects of this encounter will produce changes in Ron in the forthcoming books, the question I see is will these changes be beneficial or harmful?

To the poster who wondered if Ron was deserving of being a prefect, I felt that the shock expressed by Harry and Hermione was that Ron only fell short when compared to Harry...compared to the student body at large, I think Ron sizes up rather well.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 1:19 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

I think the Unity thing is a good thought. everyone will need a common cause to rally behind. As evidence in OoP is doesn't seem like V's return is enough (of course maybe now that it is public will help the cause). I thinkg that only DD's death would do it, even to get the elf's going. As evidence by 911, tradegy is a great unifier.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 1:58 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

jv124: im pretty sure she meant dumbledore. t i think even the chapter was named the only one he ever feared and we know that voldie was real afraid of dumbledore..

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:00 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 468

Charlie'sMum says:

Someone suggested that Lilly and Petunia's father was a squib. Not sure how likely but I LOVE that concept! It would explain why the parents were 'so proud' of her, and why Petunia was so jealous. That could be how muggle born wizards happen - squibs marry muggles and a few generations later, someone gets the magic.
Along that line, how much would it suck to have been born into the wizarding world, KNOW about it, and not be able to really participate? No wonder Filch is cranky.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:04 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

George can'tStandYa - You have really put a lot of thought into this and you make a really good point. We know the Mr. Weasley will probably play a big part in the up coming books. I mean, he's my best bet for Minister, and I think that with people realising Voldemorts back, they may want Fudge out of office pretty quickly. Dumbledore even told Fudge at the end of GoF that he would have to reach out and befriend these creatures. I think that SPEW will play an important role in the future. I don't think JKR would keep briniging it up (or have brought it up at all) if it didn't mean something.
HGreenbacker8705- That whole Ludo Bagman thought is actually really good. I can definitly see that being a possibility. He was mentioned in the OotP. I believe Harry overheard Bill and a couple other memebers discussing the fact that he still owes the goblins gold over supper.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:06 PM EST

Metamorphmagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 37946

tonks black says:

CarolAlutius - maybe their father and mothers were both squids. that would still pretty much make lily muggle born because neither of her parents could do magic, right?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:11 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Had a thought about an earlier discussion:
What if Luna really did blow up pluto (or changed it in some way) - would that screw up the Centaurs future predictions since which are based on planets?

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:19 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Good Question dimtick.. but I still doubt Luna blew up the "real" pluto. If she did though, than it would more tha likely mess up the Centuars predictions.. unless of course they predicited that Pluto would get blown up.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:22 PM EST

Head Girl

House: Gryffindor
Points: 479

eclektic says:

kadyak:
ur analysis of fudge's actions are real good. personally i think that he may not be controlled by the imperious curse, well at least not yet maybe. but i do believe that there's more than what meets the eye regarding his personality. i feel that to a large extent he does act in a certain way in order to protect the political position that he's in; his 'love of the office' as dumbledore puts it. but i believe as well that he's a highly ambitious person and that he enjoys power immensely. (sounds like percy?) not political power specifically but the whole notion of supremacy and authority over his fellow men. on top of that, i do belive that he lacks finesse as well in whatever that he undertakes and the vibes that he exudes as a person and as the minister of mahic is definitely not a complementary one.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:31 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

Is it just me or does there appear to be a number of vacancies at the MOM now? with Crouch, Bagman, & now hopefully Umbridge gone - who is going to fill the void at the top, Fudge has got to be feeling pretty crazy with all his top people dropping like flies. Had he not been caught Lucious Malfoy would be my choice, but now who? I don't think Mr. Weasley is popular enough YET to rise up the ladder. Maybe Mrs. Malfoy will step to the plate in her husbands absence.
Was Umbridges Crouch's replacement?

I have to got to get a life....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:43 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

dimtick- don't worry you have a life! I don't about Mr. Weasley not moving up though. I think he will now that Fudge knows about Voldemort. Arthur has always been supporting Dumbledore and I feel that even though Fudge has more confidence in himself now than he did when he first became minister, I think he may go back to asking Dumbledore for help. If he does that, Dumbledore could easily ask that Mr. Weasley be moved up the ladder.....

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:51 PM EST

Wizard

House: Slytherin
Points: 533

dimtick says:

My theory on Fudge & DD is that even though they're now on the same side, there won't be much cooperation for a while.
Too much history. I see them as republicans & democrats. Maybe they'll shake hands for the cameras but behind the scenes ....
Especially if V can get someone else in there to whisper in Fudges ear and play on his fears.

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 2:58 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

dimtick - you have a point. I think we are all a little suspicious of Fudge right now, especially with all the connections he had to Malfoy. Fudge may not agree with dumbledore behind cameras but I still think he'll take his advice

Posted Jul 10, 2003 at 3:03 PM EST