Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

Korasei: I think its possible that the creevey bro could be trouble makers sense their idol isn't all that great at following rules (tee hee hee)

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 5:12 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

i got a question i'm sure tons of you can answer. Who won the house cup at the end of the year? I reread the last chapter a few times, but still couldn't figure it out.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 5:25 PM EST

Animagus

House: Gryffindor
Points: 19544

Sirius-Ella says:

DRU587 I noticed in the 4th book they didn't show house champions either...will someone answer to these questions......lol

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 5:31 PM EST

George Can'tStandya says:

Thanks to everyone who helped me regarding the NEWTS. Now if seomeone could just give a definitive answer on how the prefect system works. I still say that while their are indeed eight prefects chosen from the fifth year, there must either be a term limit on prefectdom, or there are more than two per house...can I get a ruling here.

Also agree that the veil is the door to death unfortunately it only swings one way. I do not foresee Siruis making a comeback in that JKR has stated that she wants to treat death as a real thing as opposed to the "comic book" deaths that never manage to stick. Unfortunately this should cancel out the time tuner. Although I had previously considered this in another way.

At the beginning of book 4, in The Riddle House, it says that The Riddle's and there son Tom who were killed by a dark haired teenager. My original theory held that the it was Harry going back in time and stopping Voldermort. I now understand that it was Voldermort's Father and grandparents that he (Voldermort) killed. I have always found that chapter confusing.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 5:40 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Virginia- Don't you think it would be too much of a huge coincidence if Harry was related to Dumbledore and Snape. That really just doesn't seem likeley to happen at all. I do remember seeing a reference to Snape's quidditch skills that implied he was on the team but I don't think there is a part in any of the books that confirm whether or not he was on the team.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 5:46 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

for Bela you may realise it consciencely that some one had died but it take a while for it to sink in. you have to grieve and harry had not he was still in shock it takes a while for the realisation to sink in. plus he was prossesing alot of other feelings like voldy came back, he blamed his self for making cedric take the cup with him, and he just about escaped being murdered by voldy, and seeing your parents and the person just murdered come out of a wand will make you a bit pre-occupied

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:18 PM EST

Prefect

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 361

LaDonna says:

Aravis -- thanks. That helped.
Virginia -- I don't think that Dumbledore and Harry are related, becasue Harry would have seen him in the mirror of Erised if he was.
As far as other book rumors I've just heard that anything that wasn't cleared up in this one will be in the next (i.e. why it's important Harry had his mom's eyes, what they did for a living, a visit from Aragog (who I hope lets his children eat the Death eaters) and some others)

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:20 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

OWL in the 5th year, and NEWTS in 7th... got it.
BUT, can a person who fails the OWL retake it in the 6th? Or has the NEWT class already formed and it is too late?

Also, if, as someone metioned earlier, 2 prefects are selected each year from each house, could Harry or Neville for that matter be selected in his 6th year?

Not that I really think Harry is the prefect type...) I believe Ginny will be a prefect.

I do feel that Harry will be the Head Boy in his 7th year. (Family tradition)

Also, the "Alberforth theory" seems very possible. I bet we meet him in future books.

Does anyone have a guess at Book 6's title?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:37 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

Does anybody think neville could really be who the prophecy is talking about? I mean think about it, he did fight in the 5th book and didn't do too bad.. he and harry were the last two standing, weren't they? So couldn't they be wrong, and in the 6th or 7th book we find out the person the prophecy tells about is really neville?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:44 PM EST

Muggle

House: Gryffindor
Points: 58

phoenixfeathers says:

Okay, I was wondering, a lot of people have suggested that either James Potter or Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor just like Voldemort is the Heir of Slytherin. Does being the "heir" of a house founder imply inherited money? I mean, I wonder if it could explain the Potters' wealth. Also, the idea that Aberforth is an "undercover" member of the Order is really interesting. It also sheds a new light on the prophecy. When I first read the book I found it odd that Dumbledore just happened to hear the prophecy in a bar. I mean, either that was a very lucky coincidence or Dumbledore had reason to believe Cassandra Trelawney. Mythologically, Cassandra was condemned to give prophecies no one would believe--so the whole scenario seems even more unusual. Perhaps Aberforth, possibly the "lookout" in the tavern, arranged this meeting?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:49 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Did anyone else fell uncomfortable about the way Harry and Hagrid parted? It makes me worry that something might happen to him over the summer.

I always make a point to hug my daughter and tell her I love her, because you never know...

As much as Hagrid has meant to Harry I am surprised that he would just walk away like that.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:49 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Fawkes i felt exactly like you.it is really hard to come back to reality when you have been in such a wonderful world.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:54 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

LaDonna- I don't think that Snape hated James just because James made fun of him all through school. The enmity towards each other was mutual they both hated each from the start (sort of like the way Harry and Draco in SS). Also it was mentioned in OotP that Snape began his study of the Dark Arts while in Hogwarts and James always hated the Dark Arts so it wasn't just a bullying thing going on. We musn't forget either that Snape also didn't hesitate to curse James whenever he could.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 6:57 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Imperio - What about Dean Thomas or Seamus?

Also, someone mentioned 10-yr-old Mark Evans, that Dudley had picked on. I love the theory that he will be sorted in book 6!
Since JKR seems to place important information in the smallest details, I am hopeful that Mark is related to Harry.

Could Petunia and Lily have a brother?
Petunia may not like him - never sees him, mentions his name or visits. Perhaps she is angry because the brother got the family home. Perhaps Dumbledore placed Harry with Petunia, because there was a father AND a mother figure (however rotten), and at the time the brother was single. Maybe the brother died, but his wife and son live near the Dursley's.

Maybe Dudley knows Mark is his cousin and that was why he picked on him...
"he was being cheeky with me"???? Maybe Mark knows too, but is not allowed to tell Harry.

There are a lot of what-ifs, and maybe it means nothing that the name Evans was used in that sentence, BUT I think there may be more....
;)

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:11 PM EST

Chief Quibbler Editor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 2926

The Obsesser says:

Muggle Wizard--i strongly disagree with you--i really think that she will bring the time-turner back in. even if harry doesn't end up changing anything, maybe he will get to examine stuff (like his parents death) first hand... i think that it will come up, and harry will try it, but eventually realize what he is doing, and think the better of it. i'm not saying it won't be complicated (what isn't?) i just think it will reappear.

Virgina--you were mentioning how voldy was tryig to persuade harry by telling him that he could bring his parents back. first of all, don't beleive any words that come out of that lying mouth. second, if it was possible, voldy would just produce some sort of a "shadow" like Cedric became. the veil, i think, is one of those one-way things. you may, on certain, special occasions, be able to talk to people on the other side of it, but they are there... they cannot come back.

with us seeing lockheart and dobby and Lupin and loads of others we thought we'd never see again, i think we have all learned not to forget old characters. what i'm thinking is: what about umbridge? i know she ran from the school with peeves chasing her, but what happened then?

and what about bagman? i want to know what happened to him, and who now heads the departments he and crouch used to run.

and about fudge--i know he's seen voldy, but how much else will he beleive? will he beleive that:
Sirius is innocent (does it matter anymore?)
Malfoy and Macnair are DEs
the dementors are out of his control
the giants need to see the hand of friendship
he was wrong, and most importantly,
that it does not matter what someone is born as, but what they grow to be?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:17 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Ima Quidditch Fan- Yes I could definately see Seamus being on the Gryffindor team and have it be a way of getting him and Harry a better friendship. I do have problems imagining Dean playing Quidditch as noted in SS he is a muggle born and likes soccer (or football in England) and has expressed his feelings towards quidditch as being inferior to soccer/football.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:24 PM EST

Witch

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 609

Aravis says:

phoenixfeathers...DD heard the prophecy from Sybill...it was her great grandmother who was Cassandra and a famous seer. I think DD knew that Sybill was making a true prophesy just like Harry did when Sybill made her true prophesy to him.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:32 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

no one is replying to my comment on neville maybe being the one the prophecy really talks about, and the fact that in the last two books, JKR hasn't mentioned which house has won the house cup... any thoughts on this?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:32 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

DRU587- As told by Dumbledore on page 842 US Edition "You are forgetting the next part of the prophecy, the final identifying feature of the boy who could vanquish Voldemort.... Voldemort himself would 'mark him as his equal.' And so he did, Harry. He chose you, not Neville. He gave you the scar that has proved blessing and curse."
So there is the proof that it can't be Neville and must be Harry, Voldemort made it so and that is why after the question mark someone went back and wrote Harry Potter on the prophecy.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:40 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

About the thinking of Ron and Hermione, do you really think that this will develop, I mean to say that it is so predictable and JKR has always tried to steer away from the common idea. Also, I don't think that Hermione and Krum's relationship will just fade away from GoF and become nothing. I get the feeling that Krum will become more important as a result of their relationship. (Note: Krum was brought up a few times in OotP once about pen pal and then again when Hermione was getting Harry to teach them DADA saying that Krum told her Harry could do stuff he couldn't and he was in the seventh year at Durmstrang Institute. So I see Krum coming back and playing a role with gathering international support that Dumbledore talked about at the closing ceremony in GoF.) Well there you have it.
What does everyone else think will happen regarding Hermione/Krum/Ron???

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:41 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

Imperio- i agree with you completely. I don't think JKR would bring in a relationship between ron and hermione. If she did, they'd have to stay together, because if they didn't it would tear the trio apart, and i don't think JKR would let that happen.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:48 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Yes DRU587 You are right I hadn't even thought of it that way...

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 7:59 PM EST

Professor

House: Ravenclaw
Points: 1086

DRU587 says:

I know this has to do more with the website than the actual book, but does anybody know when the common room stuff is going to be updated. It says "This area will be a starting point for getting in touch with other members of your house,
as well as a place to see statistics like which house is in the lead for the House Cup!"

Could the problem be that I just signed up and I haven't gotten a high enough ranking to receive these features?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:08 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1012

Imperio says:

Hey all! One thing I was pondering was about the Cruciatus curse that Harry performed briefly on Bellatrix Lestrange in the lobby of the Ministry of Magic. If the Ministry is able to detect Harry's Patronus charm without there being any witnesses to alert them (Dudley couldn't and Mrs. Figg wouldn't) Then wouldn't the Ministry also be able to detect the Cruciatus curse????

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:08 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

Imperio - Harry doing the Cruciatus curse is bothering me too. I just knew that Fudge was there to break his wand!

Is it that it wasn't powerful enough? Like his early attempts at the Patronus (silver wisps...)

Any thoughts?

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:12 PM EST

Professor

House: Gryffindor
Points: 1106

Ima Quidditch Fan says:

I really do not want Harry to do any more unforgiveable curses.

Since we haven't seen the Dart Arts from an offensive learning viewpoint... I just wonder if doing these types of curses lead you to the dark side.

Posted Jul 3, 2003 at 8:19 PM EST