
JUNE 23, 2003 at 2:37 PM
Posted by CHEESER
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So, you've read Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and pretty darn quick, too. Like many others around the world, you have a sore neck and strained eyes, the result of reading an 870-page book in two or three days. Now you want to share your arduous journey with others. This is the place to do it.
First I'll offer my own thoughts (LET THE SPOILERS BEGIN).
One word: WOW. And I thought the Dursleys were mean. As I'm thinking of where to begin talking about Order of the Phoenix, the one thing that keeps coming to the forefront of my mind is the book's grave look into the corruption and abuse of power (and vice-versa, the power of abuse and corruption). Whether found in the annals of history or safely between the book covers of children's fiction, it can be accurately restated that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
More on that later, but first, the death: How many of you were right? Raise your hands. Sirius was definitely on my short-list. When JK said a major character was going to die, I knew it wouldn't be any of the trio, I thought it might be an older Weasley, but then my thoughts turned to Sirius. He was given to Harry, so how painful could it be to have him taken away? That was my reasoning, anyway.
Is Cho finally "over-and-out"? Will the Weasley twins' business continue to succeed? Does the Ministry now understand how much it needs Dumbledore?
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A: Everything will be saved. In fact, I'd like recommendations on what to do with all the great posts here. Can we move some of it into the new forum? Just link back to it? Let me know (just mention my name, Cheeser, in any post).
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Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
marauder:
wow.. real interesting point abt the snape thing.. it sounds really reasonable. i mean, he's a death eater, he wld then of course get inside information. he warns dumbldore abt it who then alerts the potters abt voldemort. they then perform the fidelius charm in hope that he wldnt be able to find them but it fails anyway thanks to that stinkin' rat. i've always wondered why voldie's after them and the prophecy cleared stuff up.
but, on the other hand, dumbledore did know the potters and the longbottoms since they were working for the order and as such, he wld know abt their baby boys and how one of them cld be killed by voldie. so dumbledore himself might warn the both of the families..
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:19 PM EST
Squib
Points: 109
Remus_lupin says:
I think that hagrid's brother Grawp is really going to play a big part in the book 6. I mean what JKR said in the interview regarding she had to put certain clues so as to what's coming in next books . Grawp doesnt play a very significant enough role in this. But he might be pivotal in the next book.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:39 PM EST
Wizard
Points: 533
dimtick says:
alright I just want to throw out a quick idea: what if the memory that Harry saw of Snape, is not a bad memory for Snape, but one of his best. What is Snape was in love with Lily? that memory of Lily showing kindness to him could be very precious. His hatrid of James would be magnified by th fact that the woman he loved ended up with his enemy.
Maybe Snape actually thinks Harry should have been HIS son instead of James.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:48 PM EST
Squib
Points: 109
Remus_lupin says:
I really think that its just the fact that james and gang hated Snape because of the git he was and he might have come back to the good side because of some favor DD did to him or might be Voldie did something bad to him or illtreated him. Snape hates James as Malfoy hates Harry. Nothing more and nothing less.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:53 PM EST
Wizard
Points: 533
dimtick says:
something else:
I do think HArry has reletives on James side. The protection that his mother gave him seems to only apply to her side of the family (blood relations).
What is James were related to Voldemort? (Tom Riddle) Maybe James rebelled from his family the same way Siruis rebelled from his.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:55 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
when i read the chapter abt snape's worst memory, i left feeling that it somehow doesnt add up to being someone's worst memory. i mean, he was humiliated by a lot of pple and everything but thats just it isnt it? i thought that the fleeting moment where we see snippets of his childhood where his father was scolding his mother and snape was cowering in one corner seems more horrible an experience.. i wld think that familial trouble wld be worse than childhood bullying. it felt that jkr was using it more as a device to develop james' character rather than give a more detailed insight to snape himself..
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:56 PM EST
Points: 339
Marauder says:
eclektic- let me explain myself because what I said is a little confusing.
I said- technically a squib is a non magical person because they can't do magic. In respone to what you said- the definition for muggle is non magic pple besides snape calls her a mudblood and this wld run contrary to the speculation that her father might have magical blood in him.
I was just argueing the fact that you're definition of a muggle is the same as a squib and also that it could be a possibility of Lily having a squib for a parent (even though I don't believe it).
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 1:58 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
dimtick:
james related to voldemort? NO WAY.. i dun think so. if james family were full of dark wizards then sirius wldnt be inclined to have them as his adopted parents wld he? knowing the fact that he escaped his own family who were into the dark arts and stuff. it defeats the point doesnt it? and besides, sirius did mention how james hated the dark arts and i think its influenced by his family. if anything, i have a feeling that jame's side of the family has some distant connection to godric gryffindor himself..
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:02 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
marauder:
did i say that? hmm, the defition of a squib and a muggle is slightly confusing me.. but like what u said, ditto abt the possibily that lily's father is might be a squib. i dun believe that either. snape did call her a mudblood and hagrid (if im not mistaken) did mention abt how she was muggle born.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:07 PM EST
Squib
Points: 109
Remus_lupin says:
Has DD forged some alliance with the centaurs because he escaped unhurt while returning with umbrdige at the end of OOTP and I think they did hate DD after what happened with the new Divination teacher.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:12 PM EST
Points: 351
Imelda Moonshine says:
I'm having a hard time deciding whether I prefer Ootp or PoA!I love them both for so many reasons. I have to say that I experienced the strangest thing- I actually thought 'Yay!' when Snape appeared at one point!Umbridge REALLY changed my views on him!I wasn't actually going to buy the book on the 21st, i was going to borrow it off a friend, but I was out shopping and saw a little hirl walking round the store with it and I was desperate after that!Read it in 18 hours, which i thought was pretty good!I was a little disappointed that many of the things that were supposed to be revealed(i.e. Why Lily's wand being good for charm work is important?)were not, and I now have withdrawal symptoms!It's a terrible pain!
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:24 PM EST
Metamorphmagus
Points: 37946
tonks black says:
i know this is a very dumb question..but rather than go read 1821 post, id rather ask. who in the world is mark evans and what books was he mentioned in?
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 2:37 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
dafonearth:
james was apparently a chaser on the quidditch. jkr said it. its funny cos ive always seen him as a seeker like harry..
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 3:00 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
dafonearth:
i was jus abt to reply to the post abt snape and the dark arts job, but i guess u beat me to it.. :) and i agree with you abt it as well. there's no way that DD wld make him DADA teacher. he' refused it for years and even when he cldnt find a suitable teacher in the 5th book he didnt let snape have the position and had that umbridge woman instead.i wonder if harry's potions are 'outstanding' material though. cos it doesnt seem as if he is. i think his practical exam wld be great (thanks to snape's absence) but im not too sure abt his performance in the practical bit..
james being chaser and it on being mentioned. well, i believe whatever jkr says in her interview; altho i dont exactly know the source of this one. i dunno, somehow i see him as a seeker. light and speedy and obviously built like harry seems more like a seeker to me than a chaser.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 3:17 PM EST
Head Girl
Points: 479
eclektic says:
oh sorry, i meant im not too sure abt harry's performance in the written bit of his potions exams..
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 3:20 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
Dafonearth - you make a really excellent observation about the heir to the snitch fortune... showing off abilities and fortune. I wonder if we will see James change in Book6?
Aurelia - Snape is always a DADA possibility, but I thought if it were an older character perhaps Victor Krum. He was trained in the DAs and under a former DE. Also, JKR keeps his memory alive in OOP by having Hermione write to him. I think it would be really interesting to see Ron jealous over a teacher!
Still, I bet the DADA will be a new character... representing the theme of the book. Perhaps humiliation or fear.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 4:14 PM EST
Animagus
Points: 19544
Sirius-Ella says:
ook wait a second...James was seeker wasn't he? Why else would harry have such good reflexes and wonderful seeker? And didn't it say in the first book that hermione showed harry the trophe that had James Potter team seeker? WELL, anyway I fineshed re-reading the 5th book FINALLy i found my self misty eyed in the dumbledore office scene then when sirius die..er um dissappeared..and I still the like 3rd book better but I've come more acustomed to the 5th one....and i can't wait for the 6th one..we get to lear wether or not mark evens is going to be in hogwarts...who harry will fall inlove with..*cough*ginny*cough* ect.....
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 4:54 PM EST
Old Chortlebones
Points: 2601
Newt Scamander says:
Ima Quidditch Fan - I agree, I'd dig it if Krum got the role as a teacher in Hogwarts.
And speaking of other champions from Goblet of Fire, I wonder if we'll be seeing Fleur Delaceour (I know, I probably really messed up on her name terribly, and I apologize to all who are offended by bad spelling) again in the sixth or seventh book. I remember her telling Harry that she hoped she'd see him again sometime. Does anyone remember if Beauxbatons (I might have spelled that one right, but I probably didn't) taught anything in particular, or if it was just a "general school?" Maybe she'd be part of the Order if she was taught well enough.
Or maybe she and Ron could hitch up. (Insert beaver-esque laugh here.)
Sirius-Ella - I had always thought that James was a Seeker, but some people here said that Rowling had said he was a Chaser in an interview she gave. I know in the movies he was mentioned as a Seeker, but they can't be trusted too much.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 5:12 PM EST
Metamorphmagus
Points: 37946
tonks black says:
Dafonearth - thanks for telling me who mark evans is.
i think james was a seeker, but in this fanfic i read, he was a chaser so im not sure about this.
also, i was thinking and maybe Tonks will become the defence against the dark arts teacher. i think she will be there as sort of a lookout for harry.or maybe dumbledore will hire a goblin or a different magical creature besides a wizard.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 5:34 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
Newt Scamander - I think we will see Fluer. At one point in OOP the twins joked about Billed helping her with her English... didn't they say she was working at Gringotts?
I still think that Tonks has a crush on Bill....
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 6:33 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
luna lovegood - While I would like the DADA to be Krum, and I think if it is an old character he is a likely choice... because he would push Ron into discovering his feelings for Hermione.... I notice that all of the DADAs are new characters. Again, each representing the theme of that book. So, whoever it is, they need to represent on of the mysteries of life, and I am sure that book 7 will be love so I am back to... who has an idea for the theme of book 6? Anyone? I have suggested fear and humility... I think is we can narrow down the theme choice then looking at a DADA will be easier.
jade - where have you been? Did you see my Grawp theory? Have you found a chat room? Where is Mad Eye? :)
Oh, and I am so sad about Harry dying! How can it be!?!?!?!? I just think I should stop reading now, because my heart just can't take it if he dies... even to save someone else, but it sure looks like it.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 6:40 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
Sirius-Ella & Newt Scamander - while I believe that JKR is honestly trying to answer each question, couldn't she make a mistake, or change her mind?
Also, I think someone has posted a time or two, sorry can't remember who, about the fact that maybe James started out as a chaser and then made seeker.... like Ginny. Maybe the "Snape's worst memory" chapter was after James made seeker.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 6:46 PM EST
Editor of the Squibbler
(Moderator)
Points: 2031
eudaemonia says:
re: new DADA instructor it'd be hard to see Krum accept the job if ever he was offered it because even he admitted to Hermione (if my memory serves correctly) through their pen-palship that Harry was the strongest against the dark arts during the Triwizard Tournament. That's what pushed Hermione to talk Harry into their secret lessons in the first place, isn't it?
Which leads me to this far-fetched theory: what if Harry were to... eventually earn that position? It's unlikely that Dumbledore would give it to a student, but then he gave Hagrid the Care for Creatures class and he's an expelled student (in record). If the next DADA instructor is just as incompetent as it was for book 5 -- Dumbledore's Army is likely to continue on w/ its secret meetings I'd like to think. Official or not I tend to think Harry's got that DADA title -- no wonder no one's really gotten it for the long-haul since he arrived :)
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 6:56 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
eudaemonia - Wow! What a wonderful observation... Harry is the DADA in a way, and he was good at it.
I'm not sure about the rules at Hogwarts, doesn't Dumbledore create them? So, perhaps Harry could take the spot. Few grown wizards have the real-world experience he has...
hang on, what if (another stretch to this far-out theory) Harry were to team-teach with an adult. This is done in the US from time to time... a good teacher with subject-matter experience teams with an experienced teacher... I did this my first year out of college. It had a nice classroom effect.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 7:08 PM EST
Animagus
Points: 19544
Sirius-Ella says:
I see alot of good reasons for the D.A. continuing.
1. It was a good thing to see Harry finding the
inner leader (not a bad leader) And he is some
what confident about himself preforming Dark Arts.
Which will probably help ;)
2. It will unite the school houses, and maybe some slytherin students will join and some how make syltherin unite also..even though Draco is bad I think he will have a change in heart in book 6..I know this is off the wall, but it was just a theory :)
3. Er umm I just thought I should go to atleast 3 even though there isn't 3 reasons but the first 2 are pretty good....lol...and um the school will learn to love harry and respect him for once??? lol........
I personally think
J.K. Rowling should bring a new dada teacher.
Maybe, he/she has been brought up in the book before, and not technically new...but anyway I have a feeling that it will be someone new.
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 7:10 PM EST
Professor
Points: 1106
Ima Quidditch Fan says:
Maybe Harry gave himself the scar! He could have aimed for Voldemort and it bounced off him and onto baby Harry.
Except, didn't Professer McGonnagall have to write several letters of recommendation for Hermione? I bet the MOM would be wary of given Harry a time turner for the very reasons you mention Cat Eyes. But I love the theory!
Posted Jul 13, 2003 at 7:12 PM EST
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