Discussion: The 'Phoenix' files

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

The question though would be, if Crookshanks is an anigmus, who's the person that can turn into him? Any ideas?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:06 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

Flitterbloom- maybe its Dumbledore's brother Aberforth. i know some people had the theory that Aberforth was the bartender at the Hogs Head but this theory is just as plausible.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:13 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Thats definitly a possibility Snitch and same with Aberforth Mad-Eye, but I'm going to bring back the 4 Hogwarts founders anigmus theory though. If by chance, the founders were anigmi and by chance they were still alive, do you think that maybe Godric Gryffindor could be Crookshanks? Some people suggested that if the founders were anigmus and alive, Godric would be Fawkes, but maybe Fawkes is the Ravenclaw founder because isn't ravenclaws animal a bird? Where as Gryffindor's is a lion.. and i'm not positive but the description Hermione gave of Crookshanks when she got him sounded a lot like a 'little lion'.. and then of course there's Nagini who could be Slytherin, as Slytherin's animal is a snake. This is just speculation.. Maybe some how the founders aren't anigmi but they are these animals? Perhaps they wanted to watch over the school, so they used a kind of magic unknown to us, to make themselves ever-lasting animals? Any thoughts on this theory..?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:18 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

snitch- good point, i overlooked that, but maybe that is just a cover, although why would he be telling Hagrid this. Well maybe it is a new character

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:19 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

luna- i dont think Dumbledore is the wizard in the statue and i dont know why other people do

Flitterbloom- that is a very interesting theory and it is definitely something we should look out for.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:22 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

I agree with Mad-eye luna.. i don't think any of the characters in the fountain represent a particular person.. I think they represent that "race" of beings.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:26 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

I really need to be caught up. No.. I don't think DD is the man in the statue.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:37 PM EST

Marauder says:

I agree with you Flitterbloom, I think they represent each group/race.
It's a possibility that the 4 founders did a spell to become animals to watch over the school, but why wouldn't they be at the school.
I have a feeling (and I think it's been brought up before) that the Grey Lady is Ravenclaw (because [im sure] JKR said she was the Ravenclaw ghost in an interview). And if the other 3 turned into animals Gryffindor seems to be a better candidate for Fawkes (the color, bravery, etc.); It makes sense that Slytherin would be Nagini (help out his heir); what would Hufflepuff be?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:38 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Well crookshanks being an animagus could be intresting but who do you think it could be.
I just read an intresting theroy what if Salazar was Grindlewald and he had got loads of potions etc to immoratality and changed his name and identity throught the ages and dumbledore defaeted him he could have possesed a snake and become Nagini, but before that and could have told voldy about his hertigage if you would like to read it in more detail itis on 1251-1275.
Very intresting they could have reincarnated in a way into these animals to watch over and see how there school is progressing.
I think the statues are more in general now, than anyone in particular

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:44 PM EST

Marauder says:

I've been wondering that too. We know he ran away at the end of GoF and Voldemort mentioned one person would need convincing to come back and one person would need to be killed.
I've been wondering if he knows that Snape is a spy or if Snape is still a DE.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:50 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Just so that we have it, here are the house founders and animals
Helga Hufflepuff - badger (that made me think of Hermiones patronus because the badger and otter look a lot a like)
Rowena Ravenclaw - eagle (doesn't malfoy have an eagle owl)
Godric Gryffindor- Lion
Salazar Slytherine - Snake
I think we can be almost sure that if Slytherin is an anigmus or animal now, he'd be Nagini.
Another point, to become a ghost, you have to be afraid of death (correct me if thats wrong), if the grey lady is Rowena Ravenclaw, why do you think she'd be afraid of death?
Hmmnn.. A badger for Hufflepuff. Badgers are closely related to otters and thats why I thought of Hermiones patronus, but what would Hermione have to do with Hufflepuff? I found this "poem/song" on a website where it also said badgers are used in folklore usually to represent life or death. Here goes:
"Should a badger cross the path
Which thou hast taken, then
Good luck is thine, so it be said
Beyond the luck of men.

But if it cross in front of thee,
Beyond where thou shalt tread,
And if by chance doth turn the mould,
Thou art numbered with the dead."
I'm going to keep doing a bit of Badger and Hufflepuff research to see if I can find any more information to support my theory.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:53 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 233

magic_cat111587 says:

the book kicked butt. there that rests the case.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 2:55 PM EST

Student

House: Gryffindor
Points: 233

magic_cat111587 says:

you know what i thought was very interesting. the part where harry finds out he's a prophecy i mean i kinda figured he was something like that but wooah it was really cool i can't wait until 6&7 come out i also hope jk makes more books after that about harry and all them grown up and all that be cool not unless harry dies. you see my vision of whats gona happen is that harry is gona kick voldemorts butt and then he'll die like after that and that the prophecy thingy would be wrong that instead of one or the other dieing they'll both die. not that i don't want harry to die he's the good guy but, i just have that feeling.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:03 PM EST

Marauder says:

magic_cat111587- no offense but what case does it rest? We aren't agueing that the book was good or bad. We're just trying to think of what's going to happen in the next books.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:04 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

I think that Mundungus Fletcher is Crookshanks. Both are described as having bandy legs and orange hair...

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:06 PM EST

Marauder

House: Gryffindor
Points: 3954

jade says:

Well JKr did say he is not as nice as we think he is after the whole memory tthing which i thought was fantastic. Another thought that came into my mind was now that everybody knows that Voldy is back there is no need for him to hide in the shadows anymore he can now get the demontors back on his side and get all his death eaters back no problem, which means alot of people are going to be in alot of danger particularly the trio and Neville, Ginny, Luna I think that they maybe be more in danger than they relise. I think one of them might die bacuase everyone going to be concentrating on Harry.
I wonder who else has the metamorphugas gene like Tonks because that is definatly going to be important in the next 2 books.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:07 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

I dunno.. it just seems weird though. They have to be related somehow.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:13 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

I know this is a new topic but what houses do people think Tonks, Moody and Fudge were in?

i used to think Fudge was in Ravenclaw but now im unsure. i think Tonks was in Hufflepuff but i have no idea about Moody.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:16 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

I think Tonks was in Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. Moody.. the same. Fudge could have been in Hufflepuff or Slytherin.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:20 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

is information was verified by JK Rowling. She has said readers have already "met" The Grey Lady in book 1 (she passed by Harry) and will be introduced to her in future books
---I found this kind of interesting---
Helga Hufflepuff was born in Germany on an unknown date more than one thousand years ago. Her family moved to England when Helga was around seven. The Hufflepuffs decided a normal lifestyle would be the best way to avoid the hassle of Muggle persecution. They temporarily retired their prominent wizard style of life, and Helga hardly knew any magic until she was around sixteen. On one of Helga's birthdays, an owl messenger brought a note from Helga's great uncle to the Hufflepuffs. He had found a wondrous little vacation spot on an invisible island off the French coast and invited Helga and her family to come and visit. They agreed to stay for a few weeks, and then return to Mr. Hufflepuff's blacksmithing job. Politus Hufflepuff lived richly and wasn't half as cautious as Helga's family about Muggle affairs. He introduced Helga to all the wizard society he could, and taught her about all sorts of things. Politus made a living building wizard communities on islands invisible to Muggle eye. Helga was quite interested in this, but insisted that there should be an isle for enchanted animals. Politus was charmed by this idea and created a small zoo for Helga near his mansion. Helga soon adored Politus and his Nocho Isle, and wanted to begin learning spells there. Her parents thought it was perhaps time Helga learn about wizardry and her heritage, and Helga stayed at Nocho for about thirteen years until her great uncle died. By then, Helga was a talented young witch with a knack for solving problems. She went on to solve many large problems for great wizards around the world and became famous for her noble, just, well-thought out opinions. Helga was about thirty-two when an owl from Salazar Slytherin arrived, inviting her to create a wizards' school with he and Godric Gryffindor. Helga had thought it was unfair that many wizard children were deprived the right of magic study, and accepted the opportunity. At first, Helga made her house symbol a falcon, but after learning that Rowena Ravenclaw's house was an eagle, she made a student's badger the mascot

I was looking for information that could support my founder anigmus theory and instead I found this. What are your thoughts?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:20 PM EST

Marauder says:

Fudge/Tonks- Hufflepuff
Moody- Ravenclaw or Gryffindor

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:22 PM EST

Hufflepuff Princess

House: Hufflepuff
Points: 24832

Waddi Wasi says:

Where did you find that at, Flitterbloom?

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:23 PM EST

Marauder says:

Sounds like fanfic but a decent idea anyway.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:26 PM EST

Squib

House: Slytherin
Points: 142

Mad-Eye says:

thanks for your thoughts on this snitch, WaddiWasi and Marauder.

Flitterbloom- that is rather interesting, im sure we could come up with new theories from reading that

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:26 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

http://www.geocities.com/luckystar1357uk/hhufflepuff.html

The other 3 founders history is there too so I'm going to post them here too. I don't know if this girl made up this history, or if she found it somewhere but I thought it was an interesting read.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:28 PM EST

Witch

House: Gryffindor
Points: 661

Flitterbloom says:

Godric Gryffindor
Godric Gryffindor was a pureblood wizard born in June, more or less a thousand years ago. He and his family lived in Africa for some time, away from the witch-hating English Muggles of the time. It was on the remote plain that Godric discovered the wonder of African wildlife. He especially enjoyed watching the lion prides on the prowl. Godric was adventurous, and sometimes mischievious, so it was not uncommon for him to sneak into the wilderness. Yet he was so noble that his parents could hardly get mad at him. Godric was taught wizardry by his would-be-profesor father, who often went on about how there should be a proper wizards' school for the children. Godric was fond of his father, who tried to be strict, but often ended up skipping lessons or cracking jokes with adventurous Godric. When Godric turned eighteen, he returned to England on his own. He went to live in Hogsmeade, which he'd heard was near an enchanted forest. It interested Godric to see if this was mere Muggle lore or if he might find other wizards nearby. He met young raven-haired Salazar Slytherin in a tavern, and they became friends. This was because Godric first found Salazar to have the same adventurous spirit as he did, though later he discovered it to be a willingness to do anything for himself. Nevertheless, Godric shared his dream of creating a great wizard's school with Salazar, who readily agreed this was a grand idea. By this time, they were both at least thirty and had shared a lasting friendship as they became famous wizards with great powers. Salazar got in touch with Helga Hufflepuff, another great wizard, and she came to help create Hogwarts. Later, Godric met young Rowena Ravenclaw, who shared the wisdom beyond her years with the other Hogwarts teachers. Godric began to grow away from Salazar as he began to make more demands from the school. Salazar became angrier and angrier with Hogwarts, Godric, and Muggle-born wizards until he finally left the school. He was no longer Godric's friend, he had become an enemy. But proud Godric kept his head high through it, and continued to be noble, brave, and daring. Today, he is perhaps the most respected of the Hogwarts four. Gryffindors have always been brave and noble, and the lion (perhaps from the lions Godric saw on the plains) remains house symbol.Godric Gryffindor's wand is now in Gringott's, locked safely away and wonderfully preserved.

Posted Jul 11, 2003 at 3:29 PM EST